Curse

IronSheik · Jul 10, 2009, 10:26 PM // 22:26

Well since death nova has a nice ending effect, but is extremely hard to use a human minus JQ bombing, I propose this

Death Nova: Enchantment Spell 10e 2c 0r For 10..25..35 Seconds, When Target Ally and All Allies in Area die, all adjacent foes take 5..38..55 damage and are poisoned for 1..5..8 seconds

Gives human the use to use it as an MM, damage is just a quick thought

Did a search couldn't find anything.

Coast · Jul 10, 2009, 10:38 PM // 22:38

its fine how it is tho

Sindo · Jul 10, 2009, 10:57 PM // 22:57

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Originally Posted by Coast

its fine how it is tho

Have you ever tried using it on minions? Until we get a minion bar, I find this as the best way for a human to use it on minions. As far as I know, we don't have the tingly sense that heroes get when a minion is about to die.

Ginger Hunter · Jul 10, 2009, 11:09 PM // 23:09

I think it would be a nice a idea although it should definatly be kept as a PvE/PvP split.

Braxton619 · Jul 10, 2009, 11:23 PM // 23:23

/notsigned

It's fine the way it is now.

IronSheik · Jul 10, 2009, 11:33 PM // 23:33

You say fine as is, but not only is it near impossible to death nova more than 2-3 minions in battle (at least for me, due to minions helter skelter), and rarely do you stop for that long in PvE. It's in the death line, so I'm simply assuming it's for minions, because of course it's easily maintained on party members.

This lowers damage (Which can be lower than what I said) and lowers poison duration, and makes it possible to actually use on minions, with a larger energy cost.

nvmu · Jul 10, 2009, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Sindo

Have you ever tried using it on minions? Until we get a minion bar, I find this as the best way for a human to use it on minions. As far as I know, we don't have the tingly sense that heroes get when a minion is about to die.

I agree minon bar or atleast a way to cycle through minions is needed still..

Pony Slaystation · Jul 10, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Although Shadow Form and other cheap skills may be misleading, Arena Net does not necessarily want to make things incredible easy for us. Part of the challenge of playing an effective minion bomber is correctly casting Death Nova, and that's what makes the build so powerful.

Arkantos · Jul 10, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

The problem with this is, you're taking away about 50% of the damage. Personally I'd rather be able to run it on my heroes with it doing 105 damage as opposed to me running it with it doing 55 damage.

At least bring back the option to see minions while holding alt.

IronSheik · Jul 11, 2009, 12:01 AM // 00:01

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

The problem with this is, you're taking away about 50% of the damage. Personally I'd rather be able to run it on my heroes with it doing 105 damage as opposed to me running it with it doing 55 damage.

At least bring back the option to see minions while holding alt.

Well, it can apply it to every minion at once, effectively saving ~10 seconds, so for humans you're drastically increasing damage, and with heroes it's lower damage but more time saved. Just a matter of how you see it/use it.

Bob Slydell · Jul 11, 2009, 12:06 AM // 00:06

A Minion Bar added to the party window would be a more viable option. Leave the skill as is plz.

ajc2123 · Jul 11, 2009, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Nope. Would rather have a minion bar.

/unsigned.

Ratson Itamar · Jul 11, 2009, 01:16 AM // 01:16

/signed + some changes.

Keep the damage and increase the cost. Either health sacrifice (and raise the energy cost to 10-15) or higher energy cost, like 15-25 (I'm leaning more towards 25).

Even if you had a minion bar, it would be far too tedious to choose each one to cast Death Nova on while keeping an eye on the field.

ajc2123 · Jul 11, 2009, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Ratson Itamar

/signed + some changes.

Keep the damage and increase the cost. Either health sacrifice (and raise the energy cost to 10-15) or higher energy cost, like 15-25 (I'm leaning more towards 25).

Even if you had a minion bar, it would be far too tedious to choose each one to cast Death Nova on while keeping an eye on the field.

Obviously you've never played a BIP in urgoz or the likes before. It would be EASIER than that.

gg sir.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jul 11, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

A minion health bar panel would be better than this. /notsigned.

Koji Murasame · Jul 11, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

Well, on the up side you've got a lower total energy expenditure for the effect, ease of use for a human player. On the downside slightly lower damage/duration for heroes. I do think it should have a recharge in the suggested format and I don't really have a problem with it. I do think it would make minion bombing more accessible to human players, but it begs the question, what about Jagged bones? It's just as unwieldy for a human player.

IronSheik · Jul 11, 2009, 01:29 AM // 01:29

This isn't generally to make death nova suck more in Sabway/Discord, It's to make Human MMs actually comparable to Heroes

Why take a hero MM over Human, Main reason? Death Nova, this way it's actually a viable and useful choice.

And a minion bar sounds more unlikely than a skill change

ajc2123 · Jul 11, 2009, 01:35 AM // 01:35

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

And a minion bar sounds more unlikely than a skill change

Pet bar update says hi

Ratson Itamar · Jul 11, 2009, 01:37 AM // 01:37

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Obviously you've never played a BIP in urgoz or the likes before. It would be EASIER than that.

gg sir.

What? I didn't get your point, at all. I did however played my share as a bip.I have "biped" in the Deep and DoA for example but never in Urgoz (I was the tank at the time). Never liked the kurzick's emo territories. Again, what did you try to say? (really, I'm not being sarcastic)

Edit: Oh, you're just being a troll. Never mind. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Marty Silverblade

A minion health bar panel would be better than this. /notsigned.

IMO personal opinion it wouldn't. But beyond that, it's far more complicated than just adjusting a single skill. (I also feel that Jagged Bones needs the same kind of change).

Edit: Seems like IronSheik and Koji have beaten me to the punch. I really need to refresh more often before posting.

IronSheik · Jul 11, 2009, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by ajc2123

Pet bar update says hi

Million skill updates and 1 pet update says hi

And ratson, troll is trying to imply bip is click-bip-click-bip

Minion party bar would be same, click-DN-click-Dn